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Võiks ju pisut lähipäevade info valguses "Kääbiku" filmide teemat arutada?... Päris dünaamiline areng asjalool, lisaks on siin kindlasti rahvast, kes Tolkieni raamatuid une pealt tunnevad...

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Kas jutt käib Peter Jacksoni väljapuksimisest? Ma arvan, et see ei ole veel kindel. New Line ja Jackson veavad lihtsalt vägikaigast ning loodetavasti lõppeb see Jacksoni kasuks. Seda enam, et ajutiselt New Line'i käes olevad "Kääbiku" õigused pidid järgmise aasta alguses tagasi minema Saul Zaentz'i kätte, kes on Jacksoni pooldaja. Kuuldavasti oli ka sir Ian McKellen protestikisa tõstnud.
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Nojah. New Line'il saab järgmisel aastal aeg otsa ja kui nad selleks ajaks tegutsemas pole, jääb nende osas "Kääbik" ära. Samas varjasid nad Jacksoni eest DVD tegelikke tiraa˛e ja seega jätsid talle osa raha maksmata, too aga ei taha NL-ga uut filmi enne teha kui vanad sotid selged. Kohtuskäik aga võib kesta väga pikalt.  Samas, leviõigused on MGM-il ja nemad ning Zaentz tahavad Jacksonit.

Kogu see värk tekitab mitmeid huvitavaid küsimusi:

* Kas tuleb äkki kaks Kääbikufilmi? Mul isiklikult poleks midagi selle vastu. New Line on tegelikult üsna B-filmide stuudio ja ma arvan, et kui vähegi võimalik, siis nad ei lase sellist kindlat rahalehma kui "Kääbikut" päris käest.
* Kes on lavastaja, kes julgeb selle filmi ette võtta? Vaevalt, et mõni tõsiseltvõetav tegija sellist käiku oma biograafiasse vajaks.
* Kas Uus-Meremaa võimud on valmis koostööks teise tiimiga või tuleks film teha mujal ja kallimalt?
* Kas näitlejad on nõus ilma PJ-ta oma rolle taastegema (Gandalf, Gollum)?
* Kas Weta, millest 1/4 kuulub Jacksonile ja ülejäänu Richard Taylorile ja veel kahele isikule, on nõus ilma PJ-ta osalema?
Vastus kolmele viimasele küsimusele on ilmselt ei. Aga -
* Kas ilma New Line'ita on võimalik kasutada samu kujundusi ja prop'e, nagu näiteks Bilbo maja?
* Kui New Line siiski tahab teha konkureeriva filmi (ma pole kindel, et neil üldse on võimalus teha kahte filmi nagu praegu plaanis, teine pajataks "Kääbiku" ja triloogia vahelisel ajal toimunust), siis ilmselt saab see enne valmis ja ekraanile kui Jacksoni variant. Milline efektifirma julgeks seda ette võtta, teades, et peagi võrreldakse kogu nende tööd Weta omaga ja kõik tehtu võib muutuda massiivseks antipromoks?
* Kas Jackson on üldse õige mees "Kääbikut" ekraniseerima? Paljud kardavad, et ta keerab lasteraamatu hoopis muuks, mis sobib paremini kokku tema filmitriloogiaga...
* Kas keegi ÜLEÜLDSE peale Jacksoni on suuteline sellist massiivset asja mõistlike rahadega ellu viima? Praktika näitab ju, et isegi mingi suvalised kassafilmid ei püsi eelarve ja ajalimiidi piires. Selliseid lavastajaid, kes ise spetsefektimaailmas kodus (Jackson tegi ju oma esimestes filmides kõik ise, sealhulgas vulkaniseeris oma ema praeahjus lateksmaske), on vähe, Del Toro ehk... Seega ei valda enamus ka vajaliku töömahu teemat ja üsna tõenäoliselt satuks probleemide otsa.
* Kes peale Jacksoni suudaks luua talutava visuaaliaga fantaasiafilmi? New Line'i "Dungeons & Dragons" on üks suuremaid junne, mida annab ette kujutada, tulevane "Eragon" näeb ja kõlab ka ikka väga nõme välja.

Ja nii edasi. Igatahes huvitav saab olema...


Muudetud Ivar on 26 nov. 2006,18:22

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Ja veel, küsimused raamatufännidele - kui "Kääbik" oleks tehtud kahe filmina (nagu väidavad osa kõlakaid), siis kus oleks kõige parem poolituskoht? Millised tegelased on LotR-st tuttavad? Millised "Kääbiku" detailid ei sobiks kokku "LotR"-filmitriloogiaga (karuks muutuv tegelane, rääkivad kotkad)? Millel võiks põhineda kahe raamatu vahel toimuvast pajatav film ja kes tuttavatest tegelastes seal figureeriks?

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Poolituse võiks teha äkki sealt, kus see punt jõuab Orcide koopasse...või siis seal kuskil sees. Kuigi see poolitamine minu arust pole selle raamatu puhul küll mõtekas.

LOTR'i tegelastest on tuttavad Gandalf, Bilbo, Elrond, hetkel rohkem ei meenu...

Karuks muutuvast tegelasest(Beorn) nii palju, et otseselt raamatus ka ei kirjutanud sellest, kuidas ja kus ta muutus. Ilmus ta juba karuna lahinguväljale, muidu oli mees nagu mees ikka. Loodame, et seda metamorfoosi filmis ka ei näita, suht kahtlane oleks...
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Postitatud: 27 nov. 2006,11:44 TSITEERI

Peter Jacksoni ja Fran Walshi kiri sõrmuse fännidele:

19.Nov 2006

Tsiteerin:
Dear One Ringers,

As you know, there's been a lot of speculation about The Hobbit. We are often asked about when or if this film will ever be made. We have always responded that we would be very interested in making the film - if it were offered to us to make.

You may also be aware that Wingnut Films has bought a lawsuit against New Line, which resulted from an audit we undertook on part of the income of The Fellowship of the Ring. Our attitude with the lawsuit has always been that since it's largely based on differences of opinion about certain accounting practices, we would like an independent body - whether it be a judge, a jury, or a mediator, to look at the issues and make an unbiased ruling. We are happy to accept whatever that ruling is. In our minds, it's not much more complex than that and that's exactly why film contracts include right-to-audit clauses.

However, we have always said that we do not want to discuss The Hobbit with New Line until the lawsuit over New Line's accounting practices is resolved. This is simple common sense - you cannot be in a relationship with a film studio, making a complex, expensive movie and dealing with all the pressures and responsibilities that come with the job, while an unresolved lawsuit exists.

We have also said that we do not want to tie settlement of the lawsuit to making a film of The Hobbit. In other words, we would have to agree to make The Hobbit as a condition of New Line settling our lawsuit. In our minds this is not the right reason to make a film and if a film of The Hobbit went ahead on this basis, it would be doomed. Deciding to make a movie should come from the heart - it's not a matter of business convenience. When you agree to make a film, you're taking on a massive commitment and you need to be driven by an absolute passion to want to get the story on screen. It's that passion, and passion alone, that gives the movie its imagination and heart. To us it is not a cold-blooded business decision.

A couple of months ago there was a flurry of Hobbit news in the media. MGM, who own a portion of the film rights in The Hobbit, publicly stated they wanted to make the film with us. It was a little weird at the time because nobody from New Line had ever spoken to us about making a film of The Hobbit and the media had some fun with that. Within a week or two of those stories, our Manager Ken Kamins got a call from the co-president of New Line Cinema, Michael Lynne, who in essence told Ken that the way to settle the lawsuit was to get a commitment from us to make the Hobbit, because "that's how these things are done". Michael Lynne said we would stand to make much more money if we tied the lawsuit and the movie deal together and this may well be true, but it's still the worst reason in the world to agree to make a film.

Several years ago, Mark Ordesky told us that New Line have rights to make not just The Hobbit but a second "LOTR prequel", covering the events leading up to those depicted in LOTR. Since then, we've always assumed that we would be asked to make The Hobbit and possibly this second film, back to back, as we did the original movies. We assumed that our lawsuit with the studio would come to a natural conclusion and we would then be free to discuss our ideas with the studio, get excited and jump on board. We've assumed that we would possibly get started on development and design next year, whilst filming The Lovely Bones. We even had a meeting planned with MGM executives to talk through our schedule.

However last week, Mark Ordesky called Ken and told him that New Line would no longer be requiring our services on the Hobbit and the LOTR 'prequel'. This was a courtesy call to let us know that the studio was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker for both projects.

Ordesky said that New Line has a limited time option on the film rights they have obtained from Saul Zaentz (this has never been conveyed to us before), and because we won't discuss making the movies until the lawsuit is resolved, the studio is going to have to hire another director.

Given that New Line are committed to this course of action, we felt at the very least, we owed you, the fans, a straightforward account of events as they have unfolded for us.

We have always had the greatest support from The Ringers and we are very sorry our involvement with The Hobbit has been ended in this way. Our journey into Tolkien's world started with a phone call from Ken Kamins to Harvey Weinstein in Nov 1995 and ended with a phone call from Mark Ordesky to Ken in Nov 2006. It has been a great 11 years.

This outcome is not what we anticipated or wanted, but neither do we see any positive value in bitterness and rancor. We now have no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go and move forward with other projects.

We send our very best wishes to whomever has the privilege of making The Hobbit and look forward to seeing the film on the big screen.

Warmest regards to you all, and thanks for your incredible support over the years.

We got to go there - but not back again ...

Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh


http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1163993546.html

Ja natuke MGM`i arvamust:

Tsiteerin:
From moviehole.net

MGM responds to Hobbit news

Though he thinks he’s no longer in the race, MGM says they’re not going to give up on Peter Jackson directing “The Hobbit”.

Yesterday, the “Lord of the Rings” director told TheOneRing.net that New Line have removed him from the project. The filmmaker’s statement also reiterated in detail his stance on "The Hobbit" -- that he is not willing to have a serious conversation about directing the film until his ongoing lawsuit with New Line over what he considers improper accounting practices over "LOTR" profits is settled.

New Line's given reason for proceeding sans Jackson is that the studio's rights to the pic are about to expire, and seeing as the lawsuit with Jackson isn't moving ahead, well, the message was that New Line is.

An MGM spokesperson tells Variety today that they’re going to fight for Jackson. The spokesperson states, "The matter of Peter Jackson directing 'The Hobbit' films is far from closed."

You only have to do a Google search for one of the “Rings” forums to see what size backlash this one’s had.

Chris Pirrotta, co-founder of TheOneRing.net says "They [the fans] are very upset, - We are seeing calls for everything from letter writing campaigns to a boycott of the studio."


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Tsiteerin: (Ivar @ 26 nov. 2006,18:21)
Ja veel, küsimused raamatufännidele - kui "Kääbik" oleks tehtud kahe filmina (nagu väidavad osa kõlakaid), siis kus oleks kõige parem poolituskoht?
Ainuke vähegi mõeldav poolitamiskoht tekib seoses sõrmuse leidmisega Bilbo poolt.
Osa I võiks lõppeda Bilbo väljumisega Udumägedest peale sõrmuseomanikuks saamist ning Osa II kirjeldaks siis sujuvalt kogu ülejäänud stoori ära.

Poolitamise kasuks räägib ka see et siis saaks teha kaks täispikka filmi (hiljem muidugi extended versioonid lisaks veel  :p ) ning kogu loo rohkemate üksiasjadega ära jutustada kui ühe filmina.


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Kahe filmiga on ainult see mitmeharuline probleem - mõlemad tuleb üles võtta samaaegselt, mis on igati hea. Ainult, et post production võtab ju ka aega. LotR filmides oli linastumisaegade vahel aasta, mis andis piisavalt aega järgmist filmi lihvida. Mulle tundub, et kui "Kääbik" oleks kaks filmi, siis peaks nad linastuma väiksema vahega kui aasta, umbes nagu maatriksijärjed. Teine näiteks jõuludeks, esimene varasügisel. See aga tähendaks, et esimene film peaks olema juba jupp enne linastumist valmis ja teine film selleks ajaks samuti juba lõpetamisel... Iseenesest teostatav, kui ainult filmikompanii suudab end talitseda ega rutta linastusajaga...

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Üks uudis, ilmunud The Sun'is

Jackson is Lord of Tolkien again

November 28, 2006


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LORD OF THE RINGS director PETER JACKSON WILL direct the highly-anticipated prequel, The Hobbit.

There was uproar last week when New Line Cinema bosses told the King Kong director he was "no longer needed" in the making of The Hobbit and another unnamed Lord Of The Rings prequel.

Jackson - originally given the boot due to legal disputes over royalties - now has the thumbs up thanks to film producer SAUL ZAENTZ (One Flew Over The Cuckoo&#8217;s Nest).

Zaentz, who owns the screen rights to Tolkien Enterprises, said: &#8220;(The Hobbit) will definitely be shot by Peter Jackson.

&#8220;Next year, The Hobbit rights will fall back to my company.

&#8220;I suppose that Peter will wait because he knows that he will make the best deal with us. And he is fed up with the studios.

&#8220;To get his profit share on the Rings trilogy, he had to sue New Line. With us, he knows that he will be paid fairly and artistically supported without reservation.&#8221;
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Huvitav, kas kunagi on plaan Silmarillionist ka film teha? Oleks küll väga raske teha, eriti alguse Arda loomist. Kuid peale seda läheks juba huvitavamaks. LOTR'i lahingud olid igatahes köömes selle kõrval, mis toimusid esimsel ja teisel ajastul.
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